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	<title>Comments on: Ghosts in the Machine</title>
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	<description>I go many places</description>
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		<title>By: TheBigHenry</title>
		<link>http://malcolmpollack.com/2007/08/21/ghost-in-the-machine/comment-page-1/#comment-209226</link>
		<dc:creator>TheBigHenry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2011 20:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have read (waded through?) Smolin’s book, and though he raises some reasonable criticisms about funding of &quot;big&quot; physics research (somewhat repetitiously, IMHO), I don&#039;t believe that the physics community is entirely beholden to sources of funding for choosing their research interests. The big names, like Witten (and Smolin himself), would get whatever funding they required no matter what they chose to research. Naturally, many young guns will be drawn to the Wittens and the Smolins as much as they may be influenced by funding issues.

On the other hand, having comparative numskulls like our Congress critters deciding to abandon a major project like the SCSC, thereby enabling CERN to take the world leadership in scientific research away from the United States, at a somewhat lower energy scale dictated by the more-cramped existing tunnel for the LHC, is deplorable.

Nevertheless, I don&#039;t believe that even the geniuses like Witten are talented enough to succeed in a leadership role for some form of centralized allocation of research funding. Only an allocation system analogous to a free-market, which would rely on the collective wisdom of all the &quot;players&quot; could have a shot at an optimum allocation of available resources. You guessed it; I will NOT be joining those morons protesting against capitalism on Wall Street.

That&#039;s my story, and I&#039;m sticking to it ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read (waded through?) Smolin’s book, and though he raises some reasonable criticisms about funding of &#8220;big&#8221; physics research (somewhat repetitiously, IMHO), I don&#8217;t believe that the physics community is entirely beholden to sources of funding for choosing their research interests. The big names, like Witten (and Smolin himself), would get whatever funding they required no matter what they chose to research. Naturally, many young guns will be drawn to the Wittens and the Smolins as much as they may be influenced by funding issues.</p>
<p>On the other hand, having comparative numskulls like our Congress critters deciding to abandon a major project like the SCSC, thereby enabling CERN to take the world leadership in scientific research away from the United States, at a somewhat lower energy scale dictated by the more-cramped existing tunnel for the LHC, is deplorable.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, I don&#8217;t believe that even the geniuses like Witten are talented enough to succeed in a leadership role for some form of centralized allocation of research funding. Only an allocation system analogous to a free-market, which would rely on the collective wisdom of all the &#8220;players&#8221; could have a shot at an optimum allocation of available resources. You guessed it; I will NOT be joining those morons protesting against capitalism on Wall Street.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s my story, and I&#8217;m sticking to it &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Malcolm</title>
		<link>http://malcolmpollack.com/2007/08/21/ghost-in-the-machine/comment-page-1/#comment-153164</link>
		<dc:creator>Malcolm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi SD, and thanks for joining in, however belatedly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi SD, and thanks for joining in, however belatedly.</p>
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		<title>By: software developers</title>
		<link>http://malcolmpollack.com/2007/08/21/ghost-in-the-machine/comment-page-1/#comment-153162</link>
		<dc:creator>software developers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting,

Yes, how scarce scientific resources are spent is an important question. I think Smolin is right to be worried that scientific talent and energy is being focused too exclusively on a particular approach to basic physical reality. And in fairness, I must grant that as a research program, string theory does appear to be developing in ways that are only very tenuously constrained by experiment.

Thanks for bringing this up</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting,</p>
<p>Yes, how scarce scientific resources are spent is an important question. I think Smolin is right to be worried that scientific talent and energy is being focused too exclusively on a particular approach to basic physical reality. And in fairness, I must grant that as a research program, string theory does appear to be developing in ways that are only very tenuously constrained by experiment.</p>
<p>Thanks for bringing this up</p>
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		<title>By: bob koepp</title>
		<link>http://malcolmpollack.com/2007/08/21/ghost-in-the-machine/comment-page-1/#comment-58999</link>
		<dc:creator>bob koepp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 02:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, how scarce scientific resources are spent is an important question. I think Smolin is right to be worried that scientific talent and energy is being focused too exclusively on a particular approach to basic physical reality. And in fairness, I must grant that as a research program, string theory does appear to be developing in ways that are only very tenuously constrained by experiment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, how scarce scientific resources are spent is an important question. I think Smolin is right to be worried that scientific talent and energy is being focused too exclusively on a particular approach to basic physical reality. And in fairness, I must grant that as a research program, string theory does appear to be developing in ways that are only very tenuously constrained by experiment.</p>
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		<title>By: Malcolm</title>
		<link>http://malcolmpollack.com/2007/08/21/ghost-in-the-machine/comment-page-1/#comment-58993</link>
		<dc:creator>Malcolm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 01:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bonkers indeed, or at least bonkers to imagine that Bostrom&#039;s entertaining notion, which is entirely dependent upon consciousness-as-software, is worth taking seriously.

Even the preposterous &lt;em&gt;Matrix&lt;/em&gt; scenario still needed biological brains to occupy the vats.

As you say, the history of science offers plenty of examples of correct hypotheses that were put forward before there were ways of testing them, for example atomic theory and general relativity (though Eddington did come through quite promptly in the latter case). I haven&#039;t read Smolin&#039;s or Woit&#039;s critique of string theory (though I&#039;ve seen some interviews with Smolin, who I think is an extremely gifted physicist and a very creative thinker, and have read his remarkable book The Life of the Cosmos, which is worth a post of its own). I&#039;ve spent more time listening to string-theory evangelists like Brian Greene, and I do have to admit the theory is captivatingly beautiful. I should read Smolin&#039;s and Woit&#039;s arguments in depth. Certainly Smolin&#039;s point, that if string theory is nothing more than pie in the sky we are squandering the careers of some of our brightest young scientists, is an important one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bonkers indeed, or at least bonkers to imagine that Bostrom&#8217;s entertaining notion, which is entirely dependent upon consciousness-as-software, is worth taking seriously.</p>
<p>Even the preposterous <em>Matrix</em> scenario still needed biological brains to occupy the vats.</p>
<p>As you say, the history of science offers plenty of examples of correct hypotheses that were put forward before there were ways of testing them, for example atomic theory and general relativity (though Eddington did come through quite promptly in the latter case). I haven&#8217;t read Smolin&#8217;s or Woit&#8217;s critique of string theory (though I&#8217;ve seen some interviews with Smolin, who I think is an extremely gifted physicist and a very creative thinker, and have read his remarkable book The Life of the Cosmos, which is worth a post of its own). I&#8217;ve spent more time listening to string-theory evangelists like Brian Greene, and I do have to admit the theory is captivatingly beautiful. I should read Smolin&#8217;s and Woit&#8217;s arguments in depth. Certainly Smolin&#8217;s point, that if string theory is nothing more than pie in the sky we are squandering the careers of some of our brightest young scientists, is an important one.</p>
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		<title>By: bob koepp</title>
		<link>http://malcolmpollack.com/2007/08/21/ghost-in-the-machine/comment-page-1/#comment-58989</link>
		<dc:creator>bob koepp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 00:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Malcolm -

Woit has a number of good criticisms of string theory, but he goes too far in claiming it lacks proper scientific bona fides. Testability is a virtue, but theoretical advances, especially in cosmology, often need to mature before they can testable hypotheses can be crafted. Time will tell.

Bostrom&#039;s speculations, on the other hand, seem to me to simply skate past telling difficulties. If implementing the right program was all that it takes to be conscious, then any Turing machine, even one constructed from tinker toys (it&#039;s been done!) would be potentially conscious. Somehow, that strikes me as bonkers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Malcolm -</p>
<p>Woit has a number of good criticisms of string theory, but he goes too far in claiming it lacks proper scientific bona fides. Testability is a virtue, but theoretical advances, especially in cosmology, often need to mature before they can testable hypotheses can be crafted. Time will tell.</p>
<p>Bostrom&#8217;s speculations, on the other hand, seem to me to simply skate past telling difficulties. If implementing the right program was all that it takes to be conscious, then any Turing machine, even one constructed from tinker toys (it&#8217;s been done!) would be potentially conscious. Somehow, that strikes me as bonkers.</p>
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