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		<title>By: Malcolm</title>
		<link>http://malcolmpollack.com/2008/03/29/if-you-dont-know-just-leave-it-blank/comment-page-1/#comment-81563</link>
		<dc:creator>Malcolm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JO,

What is the mind? That&#039;s a good question. 

Of course we all know what we mean by the word &quot;mind&quot;; it&#039;s that running dialogue in our heads, and the awareness that observes it. But it is more than just consciousness: there is a great deal going on that we are utterly unaware of, and indeed experiments show that our sense of the unity and completeness of consciousness is very much an illusion. Our consciousness is gappy in a variety of ways that we are completely unaware of; as I&#039;ve said before, &lt;a href=&quot;http://malcolmpollack.com/?p=53&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;consciousness cannot see its edges&lt;/a&gt;. 

So we could also say that our minds are our cognitive apparatus in action; the dynamic processing of our knowledge and dispositions that results in our behavior. They are what psychologists study.

Some people will tell you that the mind is a sort of independently existing immaterial &quot;substance&quot;, one that is tightly bound to the &quot;merely material&quot; body, and is the part that both experiences the sensations the body provides and issues the commands that cause our behavior. They say this, usually, because they are convinced that matter cannot be conscious. Why anyone should be convinced of this  --  as if they had exhaustive knowledge of what matter, in the form of the most complex material object we have ever discovered, might or might not be capable of  --  simply baffles me. Furthermore, why anyone would imagine that &quot;answering&quot; the puzzle of consciousness simply by postulating, on no evidence, an immaterial &quot;substance&quot; about which we know nothing other than that &lt;em&gt;it&lt;/em&gt;, in contrast to &quot;mere&quot; matter, can do the mysterious trick of self-awareness, baffles me also. These are &quot;answers&quot; that explain nothing. 

I think minds are one of the things that our brains do. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JO,</p>
<p>What is the mind? That&#8217;s a good question. </p>
<p>Of course we all know what we mean by the word &#8220;mind&#8221;; it&#8217;s that running dialogue in our heads, and the awareness that observes it. But it is more than just consciousness: there is a great deal going on that we are utterly unaware of, and indeed experiments show that our sense of the unity and completeness of consciousness is very much an illusion. Our consciousness is gappy in a variety of ways that we are completely unaware of; as I&#8217;ve said before, <a href="http://malcolmpollack.com/?p=53" rel="nofollow">consciousness cannot see its edges</a>. </p>
<p>So we could also say that our minds are our cognitive apparatus in action; the dynamic processing of our knowledge and dispositions that results in our behavior. They are what psychologists study.</p>
<p>Some people will tell you that the mind is a sort of independently existing immaterial &#8220;substance&#8221;, one that is tightly bound to the &#8220;merely material&#8221; body, and is the part that both experiences the sensations the body provides and issues the commands that cause our behavior. They say this, usually, because they are convinced that matter cannot be conscious. Why anyone should be convinced of this  &#8212;  as if they had exhaustive knowledge of what matter, in the form of the most complex material object we have ever discovered, might or might not be capable of  &#8212;  simply baffles me. Furthermore, why anyone would imagine that &#8220;answering&#8221; the puzzle of consciousness simply by postulating, on no evidence, an immaterial &#8220;substance&#8221; about which we know nothing other than that <em>it</em>, in contrast to &#8220;mere&#8221; matter, can do the mysterious trick of self-awareness, baffles me also. These are &#8220;answers&#8221; that explain nothing. </p>
<p>I think minds are one of the things that our brains do.</p>
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		<title>By: Malcolm</title>
		<link>http://malcolmpollack.com/2008/03/29/if-you-dont-know-just-leave-it-blank/comment-page-1/#comment-81562</link>
		<dc:creator>Malcolm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JK,

Please don&#039;t feel that it is inappropriate for you to respond to other commenters&#039; remarks. My hope for this website is for it to be a salon, not a lecture hall. I have been lucky enough to acquire a marvellous assortment of thoughtful and intelligent readers, and I am happiest when a post sparks a lively conversation amongst several of them at once.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JK,</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t feel that it is inappropriate for you to respond to other commenters&#8217; remarks. My hope for this website is for it to be a salon, not a lecture hall. I have been lucky enough to acquire a marvellous assortment of thoughtful and intelligent readers, and I am happiest when a post sparks a lively conversation amongst several of them at once.</p>
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		<title>By: Malcolm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Malcolm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bob,

You may well be right about the issues of translation you raise. It is, of course, tangential, as you say, to the more general point I was making about falsifiability, but is an interesting comment nonetheless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bob,</p>
<p>You may well be right about the issues of translation you raise. It is, of course, tangential, as you say, to the more general point I was making about falsifiability, but is an interesting comment nonetheless.</p>
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		<title>By: JK</title>
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		<dc:creator>JK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JO, JK here,

This &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; Malcolm&#039;s blog of course and I should not be so well &lt;em&gt;deignful&lt;/em&gt; as to attempt an answer. I&#039;ll simply refer to something I saw yesterday concerning sea cucumbers. Apparently some scientists having observed them for some time discovered that the animals&#039; plasticity resembled brain tissue and developed a substance that they deemed worthy of trials whereby they would inject this plastic stuff as a substitute, or stratum for brain material.

I have heard that our brains consist mostly of water but also that our brains might really be more accurately described as &quot;a lump of fat&quot; with distinct areas of more or lesser &lt;em&gt;plasticity&lt;/em&gt;,  of course with synapses and neurons it&#039;s a bit more complicated than that except as evidenced by:

http://www.slate.com/id/76886/

Extensive reading on this site is likely to reveal that the subject of study has achieved what physical fitness experts and the NIH folk have determined:excess fat is unhealthy. The subject is likely to live forever. However that does not address your question as to &quot;what is the mind.&quot;

In my opinion only: the mind is the Universe you occupy. Malcolm may well disagree. It may be all well and good to be as &quot;fat-free&quot; as possible but societies need politicians and so society needs hydrogenated trans fats to exist. To put it simply, where did you come up with such a question?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JO, JK here,</p>
<p>This <em>is</em> Malcolm&#8217;s blog of course and I should not be so well <em>deignful</em> as to attempt an answer. I&#8217;ll simply refer to something I saw yesterday concerning sea cucumbers. Apparently some scientists having observed them for some time discovered that the animals&#8217; plasticity resembled brain tissue and developed a substance that they deemed worthy of trials whereby they would inject this plastic stuff as a substitute, or stratum for brain material.</p>
<p>I have heard that our brains consist mostly of water but also that our brains might really be more accurately described as &#8220;a lump of fat&#8221; with distinct areas of more or lesser <em>plasticity</em>,  of course with synapses and neurons it&#8217;s a bit more complicated than that except as evidenced by:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.slate.com/id/76886/" rel="nofollow">http://www.slate.com/id/76886/</a></p>
<p>Extensive reading on this site is likely to reveal that the subject of study has achieved what physical fitness experts and the NIH folk have determined:excess fat is unhealthy. The subject is likely to live forever. However that does not address your question as to &#8220;what is the mind.&#8221;</p>
<p>In my opinion only: the mind is the Universe you occupy. Malcolm may well disagree. It may be all well and good to be as &#8220;fat-free&#8221; as possible but societies need politicians and so society needs hydrogenated trans fats to exist. To put it simply, where did you come up with such a question?</p>
<p>JK</p>
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		<title>By: JO</title>
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		<dc:creator>JO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;study the human mind and brain.&quot;
What is the &quot;mind&quot;?
I&#039;m very interested in this blog and do not ask this in a factitious manner.
JO</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;study the human mind and brain.&#8221;<br />
What is the &#8220;mind&#8221;?<br />
I&#8217;m very interested in this blog and do not ask this in a factitious manner.<br />
JO</p>
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		<title>By: JK</title>
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		<dc:creator>JK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually bob, 

I don&#039;t see that you&#039;ve digressed but this is Malcolm&#039;s blog and perhaps I shouldn&#039;t be replying. Having a dad who was an MD who incidentally once pointed out to his young son that there was validity to the &quot;bad air&quot; notion reinforces your point. And if one looks closely at the works and writings of Galen, I don&#039;t believe he recognized a &quot;spiritual&quot; connotation either.

Forgiveness in this case-not required.

Malcolm, now this is very strange. The letter and subsequent numbers (to foil spammers) I see coincide with our mutual birth-year.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually bob, </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see that you&#8217;ve digressed but this is Malcolm&#8217;s blog and perhaps I shouldn&#8217;t be replying. Having a dad who was an MD who incidentally once pointed out to his young son that there was validity to the &#8220;bad air&#8221; notion reinforces your point. And if one looks closely at the works and writings of Galen, I don&#8217;t believe he recognized a &#8220;spiritual&#8221; connotation either.</p>
<p>Forgiveness in this case-not required.</p>
<p>Malcolm, now this is very strange. The letter and subsequent numbers (to foil spammers) I see coincide with our mutual birth-year.</p>
<p>JK</p>
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		<title>By: bob koepp</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob koepp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Instead of being my usual contrarian self, I&#039;ll play a game of digression.

If you go back a few millenia, religion and medicine hadn&#039;t yet differentiated, so there are historical connections between ideas of evil spirits and attempts to come to grips with medical maladies. But sometimes people are mislead by questionable translations, and might overestimate the strength of such connections. I think this might be at work here. In the fragments of early Greed medical writing, for example, what is often translated as &#039;bad spirits&#039; might just as well be translated as &#039;bad airs.&#039; Since bad spirits/airs are often associated with swampy areas, and swampy areas are &quot;incubators&quot; for lots of insect borne diseases, I suspect there was no &quot;spiritual&quot; connotation intended by the Greek physicians.

... Forgive us our digressions, as we forgive those who digress ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Instead of being my usual contrarian self, I&#8217;ll play a game of digression.</p>
<p>If you go back a few millenia, religion and medicine hadn&#8217;t yet differentiated, so there are historical connections between ideas of evil spirits and attempts to come to grips with medical maladies. But sometimes people are mislead by questionable translations, and might overestimate the strength of such connections. I think this might be at work here. In the fragments of early Greed medical writing, for example, what is often translated as &#8216;bad spirits&#8217; might just as well be translated as &#8216;bad airs.&#8217; Since bad spirits/airs are often associated with swampy areas, and swampy areas are &#8220;incubators&#8221; for lots of insect borne diseases, I suspect there was no &#8220;spiritual&#8221; connotation intended by the Greek physicians.</p>
<p>&#8230; Forgive us our digressions, as we forgive those who digress &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Malcolm</title>
		<link>http://malcolmpollack.com/2008/03/29/if-you-dont-know-just-leave-it-blank/comment-page-1/#comment-81469</link>
		<dc:creator>Malcolm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 05:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps a tad clearer now after a few small edits.

And you are most welcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps a tad clearer now after a few small edits.</p>
<p>And you are most welcome.</p>
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		<title>By: JK</title>
		<link>http://malcolmpollack.com/2008/03/29/if-you-dont-know-just-leave-it-blank/comment-page-1/#comment-81463</link>
		<dc:creator>JK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 04:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Malcolm,

 I just washed my dishes and came to briefly check in as I know I should&#039;ve done earlier in the week.

Your explanation has Universally confused the (well it begins with &quot;S&quot;- capitalized especially in this case). It&#039;s Saturday night in my time zone too.

It is possible to civilly discourse isn&#039;t it? So long as we agree didactepistomological brainiac-ial variances don&#039;t erupt? I so dislike being not, &quot;paid well for the stuff that you do.&quot; (This a teenager thing but &quot;mutilated membranes&quot; exist don&#039;t they? By the way, thanks for tolerating me on your site.

JK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Malcolm,</p>
<p> I just washed my dishes and came to briefly check in as I know I should&#8217;ve done earlier in the week.</p>
<p>Your explanation has Universally confused the (well it begins with &#8220;S&#8221;- capitalized especially in this case). It&#8217;s Saturday night in my time zone too.</p>
<p>It is possible to civilly discourse isn&#8217;t it? So long as we agree didactepistomological brainiac-ial variances don&#8217;t erupt? I so dislike being not, &#8220;paid well for the stuff that you do.&#8221; (This a teenager thing but &#8220;mutilated membranes&#8221; exist don&#8217;t they? By the way, thanks for tolerating me on your site.</p>
<p>JK</p>
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		<title>By: Malcolm</title>
		<link>http://malcolmpollack.com/2008/03/29/if-you-dont-know-just-leave-it-blank/comment-page-1/#comment-81459</link>
		<dc:creator>Malcolm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 03:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi JK,

I did capitalize Universe: I was using it as a proper noun, with a single referent, as opposed to the preceding noun to which you refer  --  which was simply a placeholder for a diverse set of notions. That preceding word is often used uncapitalized, in fact almost &quot;universally&quot; so whenever the user is referring to a member of said set that is not the one in which he himself happens to believe. (Another distinction is that the Universe, at least, we know to exist.)

Amen to civil discourse, and to wishing to learn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi JK,</p>
<p>I did capitalize Universe: I was using it as a proper noun, with a single referent, as opposed to the preceding noun to which you refer  &#8212;  which was simply a placeholder for a diverse set of notions. That preceding word is often used uncapitalized, in fact almost &#8220;universally&#8221; so whenever the user is referring to a member of said set that is not the one in which he himself happens to believe. (Another distinction is that the Universe, at least, we know to exist.)</p>
<p>Amen to civil discourse, and to wishing to learn.</p>
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		<title>By: JK</title>
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		<dc:creator>JK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 03:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I apologize Malcolm,

&quot;Some people abhor such epistemological voids, and need to fill them in with something. Some impressively elaborate notions have been constructed...&quot;

Mine is not too elaborate, it is simply that I admire the &quot;duh&quot; factor. Hawking led the way with his string thing and now there is this extra-dimensional thing as well. I personally expect that things I can only accept on faith will eventually lead to something my descendants can believe in. I do find it interesting that your only capitalization occurs with, &quot;Universe.&quot; An earlier entry well... seemed to express something. I know and regret that I have ignored your title, to leave it blank, however I think, given the parameters, most science folk will leave it blank as well, and leave off the possibility of civil discussion.  

It has nothing to do with the constraints of Pascal&#039;s Wager that occasionally Malcolm, you will encounter the occasional &quot;nutcase&quot; (depending of course on one&#039;s view), but it is rather the elaborate Inquirey-yes it&#039;s misspelled, and here I&#039;ve capitalilized-it has more to to do with the unknowable, for now.

Actually I have as much faith in a Loki and in Coyote (knowing full well that Casteneda has been discredited) but what I have faith in and what I believe in are necessarily distinct. I wish to discourse in a civil manner and to Learn.

Copernicus and Kepler prodded the previous from faith to belief. I suspect, though it may not be in my lifetime, that others might well do the same. Unless of course this extra-dimensional thing comes to fruition, in which case-everything is up for grabs.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I apologize Malcolm,</p>
<p>&#8220;Some people abhor such epistemological voids, and need to fill them in with something. Some impressively elaborate notions have been constructed&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Mine is not too elaborate, it is simply that I admire the &#8220;duh&#8221; factor. Hawking led the way with his string thing and now there is this extra-dimensional thing as well. I personally expect that things I can only accept on faith will eventually lead to something my descendants can believe in. I do find it interesting that your only capitalization occurs with, &#8220;Universe.&#8221; An earlier entry well&#8230; seemed to express something. I know and regret that I have ignored your title, to leave it blank, however I think, given the parameters, most science folk will leave it blank as well, and leave off the possibility of civil discussion.  </p>
<p>It has nothing to do with the constraints of Pascal&#8217;s Wager that occasionally Malcolm, you will encounter the occasional &#8220;nutcase&#8221; (depending of course on one&#8217;s view), but it is rather the elaborate Inquirey-yes it&#8217;s misspelled, and here I&#8217;ve capitalilized-it has more to to do with the unknowable, for now.</p>
<p>Actually I have as much faith in a Loki and in Coyote (knowing full well that Casteneda has been discredited) but what I have faith in and what I believe in are necessarily distinct. I wish to discourse in a civil manner and to Learn.</p>
<p>Copernicus and Kepler prodded the previous from faith to belief. I suspect, though it may not be in my lifetime, that others might well do the same. Unless of course this extra-dimensional thing comes to fruition, in which case-everything is up for grabs.</p>
<p>JK</p>
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