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		<title>By: Malcolm</title>
		<link>http://malcolmpollack.com/2008/11/05/le-mot-juste/comment-page-1/#comment-94296</link>
		<dc:creator>Malcolm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Charles,

Oh, I wasn&#039;t suggesting that &lt;em&gt;anything&lt;/em&gt; can be done about it. I just don&#039;t like it, that&#039;s all.

As for using &quot;infer&quot; to mean &quot;imply&quot;, I&#039;ve heard that one plenty of times. It&#039;s just the tip of the iceberg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Charles,</p>
<p>Oh, I wasn&#8217;t suggesting that <em>anything</em> can be done about it. I just don&#8217;t like it, that&#8217;s all.</p>
<p>As for using &#8220;infer&#8221; to mean &#8220;imply&#8221;, I&#8217;ve heard that one plenty of times. It&#8217;s just the tip of the iceberg.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://malcolmpollack.com/2008/11/05/le-mot-juste/comment-page-1/#comment-94284</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 07:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see why you&#039;re so worried about losing fine distinction. At the rate people are making up words these days, we&#039;re going to have to start retiring a whole bunch soon anyway.

Just kidding. I do see your point, I just wonder if there is anything that can really be done about it. I don&#039;t mean to sound defeatist, but... what can be done?

(I&#039;ve heard of people using &quot;comprise&quot; and &quot;compose&quot; as synonyms, but not &quot;imply&quot; and &quot;infer,&quot; I don&#039;t think. That one seems a stretch even to me.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see why you&#8217;re so worried about losing fine distinction. At the rate people are making up words these days, we&#8217;re going to have to start retiring a whole bunch soon anyway.</p>
<p>Just kidding. I do see your point, I just wonder if there is anything that can really be done about it. I don&#8217;t mean to sound defeatist, but&#8230; what can be done?</p>
<p>(I&#8217;ve heard of people using &#8220;comprise&#8221; and &#8220;compose&#8221; as synonyms, but not &#8220;imply&#8221; and &#8220;infer,&#8221; I don&#8217;t think. That one seems a stretch even to me.)</p>
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		<title>By: Malcolm</title>
		<link>http://malcolmpollack.com/2008/11/05/le-mot-juste/comment-page-1/#comment-94273</link>
		<dc:creator>Malcolm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 02:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, again, Charles, I don&#039;t mind change, but I don&#039;t like to lose the fine distinctions of meaning that differentiate related words. For example, there are useful differences between &quot;comprise&quot; and &quot;compose&quot;, say, or between &quot;imply&quot; and &quot;infer&quot;  --  but people now seem to treat them as synonyms. That&#039;s the sort of change that brings out the &quot;purist&quot; in me. Change I can&#039;t believe in, you might say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, again, Charles, I don&#8217;t mind change, but I don&#8217;t like to lose the fine distinctions of meaning that differentiate related words. For example, there are useful differences between &#8220;comprise&#8221; and &#8220;compose&#8221;, say, or between &#8220;imply&#8221; and &#8220;infer&#8221;  &#8212;  but people now seem to treat them as synonyms. That&#8217;s the sort of change that brings out the &#8220;purist&#8221; in me. Change I can&#8217;t believe in, you might say.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://malcolmpollack.com/2008/11/05/le-mot-juste/comment-page-1/#comment-94271</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 02:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most dictionaries these days tend toward description rather than prescription. It just seems to be the way the linguistic winds are blowing. I have slowly been moving away from purism in recent years, although there are still line I will not cross. &quot;Enormity&quot; for me, though, is not one of those lines.

As you know, language changes, and words that meant a certain thing ages ago mean something entirely different today. I suppose it&#039;s just a matter of everyone who remembers the original usage dying out before the new usage becomes completely accepted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most dictionaries these days tend toward description rather than prescription. It just seems to be the way the linguistic winds are blowing. I have slowly been moving away from purism in recent years, although there are still line I will not cross. &#8220;Enormity&#8221; for me, though, is not one of those lines.</p>
<p>As you know, language changes, and words that meant a certain thing ages ago mean something entirely different today. I suppose it&#8217;s just a matter of everyone who remembers the original usage dying out before the new usage becomes completely accepted.</p>
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		<title>By: Malcolm</title>
		<link>http://malcolmpollack.com/2008/11/05/le-mot-juste/comment-page-1/#comment-94267</link>
		<dc:creator>Malcolm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kevin,

Yes, I dithered about offering that link. I thought it would be more interesting to go ahead and use it. I was interested to see &quot;enormity of the task&quot; as one of the citations.

As for &quot;some people insist&quot;: I guess I&#039;m the sort of person they were thinking of. I&#039;m all for useful neologisms, but I hate to see meaningful discriminations being lost.

I do realize that languages are living things, but traditionalism in usage is also an important bulwark against chaos, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kevin,</p>
<p>Yes, I dithered about offering that link. I thought it would be more interesting to go ahead and use it. I was interested to see &#8220;enormity of the task&#8221; as one of the citations.</p>
<p>As for &#8220;some people insist&#8221;: I guess I&#8217;m the sort of person they were thinking of. I&#8217;m all for useful neologisms, but I hate to see meaningful discriminations being lost.</p>
<p>I do realize that languages are living things, but traditionalism in usage is also an important bulwark against chaos, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Kim</title>
		<link>http://malcolmpollack.com/2008/11/05/le-mot-juste/comment-page-1/#comment-94266</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>M,

The Webster reference to which you linked has a paragraph at the bottom that deals with this very question, and seems to come down on the side of the non-purists:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Enormity,&lt;/em&gt; some people insist, is improperly used to denote large size. They insist on &lt;em&gt;enormousness&lt;/em&gt; for this meaning, and would limit &lt;em&gt;enormity&lt;/em&gt; to the meaning “great wickedness.” Those who urge such a limitation may not recognize the subtlety with which &lt;em&gt;enormity&lt;/em&gt; is actually used. It regularly denotes a considerable departure from the expected or normal enormity of their situation burst upon them. “How did the fire start?” — John Steinbeck&gt;. When used to denote large size, either literal or figurative, it usually suggests something so large as to seem overwhelming enormity of the desert or the sight of a tiny flower — Paul Theroux&gt; enormity of the task of teachers in slum schools — J. B. Conant&gt; and may even be used to suggest both great size and deviation from morality enormity of existing stockpiles of atomic weapons — New Republic&gt;. It can also emphasize the momentousness of what has happened enormity of the Russian Revolution — George Steiner&gt; or of its consequences enormity of the misfortune — E. L. Doctorow&gt;.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I can&#039;t read Obama&#039;s mind, but I suspect his usage of the word is most in line with the above-referenced quote from JB Conant.  

Going &quot;meta&quot; for a moment:  this brings up the question of whether dictionaries serve as authorities to which one can appeal.  Dictionaries often walk a fine line between being prescriptive and being descriptive.  The above paragraph seems to want to say, with authority, that &lt;em&gt;this is how the word is actually used&lt;/em&gt; (a very Kevin-style tactic, the conflation of &quot;is&quot; with &quot;ought&quot;), the implication being that those usages are kosher.  Such an argument won&#039;t impress purists... but the concept of &lt;em&gt;purism&lt;/em&gt; is, in debates about language, almost always synonymous with &lt;em&gt;traditionalism&lt;/em&gt; in my mind.


Kevin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>M,</p>
<p>The Webster reference to which you linked has a paragraph at the bottom that deals with this very question, and seems to come down on the side of the non-purists:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong><em>Enormity,</em> some people insist, is improperly used to denote large size. They insist on <em>enormousness</em> for this meaning, and would limit <em>enormity</em> to the meaning “great wickedness.” Those who urge such a limitation may not recognize the subtlety with which <em>enormity</em> is actually used. It regularly denotes a considerable departure from the expected or normal enormity of their situation burst upon them. “How did the fire start?” — John Steinbeck&gt;. When used to denote large size, either literal or figurative, it usually suggests something so large as to seem overwhelming enormity of the desert or the sight of a tiny flower — Paul Theroux&gt; enormity of the task of teachers in slum schools — J. B. Conant&gt; and may even be used to suggest both great size and deviation from morality enormity of existing stockpiles of atomic weapons — New Republic&gt;. It can also emphasize the momentousness of what has happened enormity of the Russian Revolution — George Steiner&gt; or of its consequences enormity of the misfortune — E. L. Doctorow&gt;.</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>I can&#8217;t read Obama&#8217;s mind, but I suspect his usage of the word is most in line with the above-referenced quote from JB Conant.  </p>
<p>Going &#8220;meta&#8221; for a moment:  this brings up the question of whether dictionaries serve as authorities to which one can appeal.  Dictionaries often walk a fine line between being prescriptive and being descriptive.  The above paragraph seems to want to say, with authority, that <em>this is how the word is actually used</em> (a very Kevin-style tactic, the conflation of &#8220;is&#8221; with &#8220;ought&#8221;), the implication being that those usages are kosher.  Such an argument won&#8217;t impress purists&#8230; but the concept of <em>purism</em> is, in debates about language, almost always synonymous with <em>traditionalism</em> in my mind.</p>
<p>Kevin</p>
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