I am not looking for an argument, nor to make one -I join in just for fun when it comes to political discussions here…
I figured, what with all the mud slung in the general direction of the Clintons, Gore, Kerry and Michael Moore -while offering not much more than a hateful attitude to back them up and a simplistic poo-pooing about the Bushists who have certainly done the nation & the world some real harms – I would just throw those (meant to be amusing) discriptions out there…

it is unlikely that you appreciate where I’m coming from on this bro-and I am sorry for that,
but please remember & know I hold you and yr family dear in my heart and wish no arguments between us… I’ll look elsewhere for political discussions-

peace-Pat

Well, there you have it, I guess.

Bill Vallicella recently wrote a fine essay on why a person might be a conservative. I’d be interested to know, exactly, what points you think have been “debunked”.

fundamentalism is a thow back to ancient thinking – as in christian or muslim or taoist-religion is backward!
conservatism is a throw back to recent debunked thinking – as in neo-cons were very wrong
moderate thinking is just wondering what the hell to think – as in yikes are they kidding-calm down
progressives are looking to the future – as in lets try to move on with the goals that offer our better ideals a hope keeping in mind- (i would hope pragmatically) that there will be flack to face-
love to all-Pat

WS coffin once said ask socialist questions
look for capitalist answers – i think that is a good formula

Also: one does not have to blame every individual Muslim to have serious concerns about Islam itself, which seems to be an inexhaustible fount of fundamentalist bloody-mindedness. One could hardly blame civilized nations if they are starting to wonder whether it is in their best interests to admit Muslim immigrants at all.

Finally, you are actually making an ad hominem dismissal of William Kristol as “a joke”? You may disagree with him, but let’s have a little perspective here.

“I think she is taking the culpability of the muslem miscreants as a given- that the repercussions serve to undermine the wellfare of other Muslems is just reviewing how knee-jerk reactionary responses cause more harm than good in many cases-

the ripple effect of continued violence is a larger problem- even than the acts of small bands of mal-contents who are obviously beyond the pale of civilized concideration… we play into their hands by going after-”the other”…”

To there, qualified agreement, well agreed second paragraph, the part about “knee-jerk reactions” in the first: agreed also.

I think she is taking the culpability of the muslem miscreants as a given- that the repercussions serve to undermine the wellfare of other Muslems is just reviewing how knee-jerk reactionary responses cause more harm than good in many cases-

the ripple effect of continued violence is a larger problem- even than the acts of small bands of mal-contents who are obviously beyond the pale of civilized concideration… we play into their hands by going after-”the other” and further alienating those who look as if they are a problem to those who’s job it is to curtail trouble before it starts-

by profiling non-troublesome kids cops are alienated them. to be pulled over by “the man” coming down on them for how they look-not a good thing -just as blaming all Muslems for the anti social acts of the wahabiists is not a just reaction- it is near-sighted at best-

and Kristol just doesn’t have an open minded enough view point to hold water with me- many progressive thinkers he is a joke-

I think it is pertainant to remember that the original “profiling” laws were inacted to protect white hippies -not blacks or any other odd looking folks to the unsophisticated eyes of law inforcment yahoos…
love to all-Pat

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/051205/5terror.b.htm

There have been reports that under extreme pressure by the US (specifically US efforts to freeze or cut off funds to terror organizations) that Pakistan’s ISI may have found its’ relationship with Dawood less than “desireable” once LET began engaging US troops out of Pakistan’s Tribal areas. Dawood is a major player in “hawala banking.”

I consider it doubtful that the “official” Pakistan government had a hand in the Mumbai attacks, Pakistan has after all moved some six divisions off the Kashmir LOC with India and moved these divisions to the Afghani side. Admittedly there are links between some ISI operatives and explicitly terrorist organizations.

I am not at all uncomfortable at the necessity of destroying to the last vestige every terrorist group operating in this region of Asia, but here – with two nuclear armed nations – well this is gonna be dicey.